Preservative - Sorbic Acid +2 PF

International Nomenclature of Cosmetic Ingredients (INCI):
Phenoxyethanol (and) Caprylyl Glycol (and) Sorbic Acid

Common Name Ingredient Listing (FDA Approved):
Phenoxyethanol, Caprylyl Glycol, Sorbic Acid

Directions:

DIRECTIONS: Slowly stir into liquids at a temperature below 176°F (80ºC). Common use levels for the oil are lotions and creams 0.75-1.5%. This product preserves water and oil based products with a pH below 6.0.

TIPS: Performs best when formulation pH levels are below 6.0. The recommended usage rates are provided only as a guideline to provide proper preservation. Adding at end of emulsion when product is coolest gives best results. All new formulations should be tested to ensure preservative efficacy.

STORAGE: Store in an airtight, cool, dark location. When stored properly, best used within 1 year from date of purchase.

WARNING: Not approved for lip products.

CAUTION: Keep out of reach of children and pets.

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   • Safety Data Sheet (SDS)
   • Animal Testing Statement

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Posted By: Rayna   |   November 29, 2022

"In a lot of your foaming bath whip recipes I see this preservative being used. In other foaming bath whip recipes, I see a water soluble preservative being used. Which preservative is best to use with your foaming bath whip to make sugar scrubs?? "

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Staff Answer The best preservative depends on a number of factors. Be sure to consider preservative restrictions such as pH, temperature and the product description to see which will work best with your product.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: November 29, 2022

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Posted By: Vanessa   |   February 23, 2022

"Hello,I want to make foaming sugar scrubs of a batch of 48oz in a 8oz jar how much sorbic acid +2 would I need to add?"

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Staff Answer We would recommend using around 1% - 0.48oz.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: March 10, 2022

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Posted By: Corine   |   January 08, 2022

"Hello, can this be used as a preservative for Hair Oil. My oils are Olive, Grapeseed, and Avocado. I’m also using raw Aloe Vera, mixed with Fenugreek seeds and boil all ingredients together. Also is there a Natural Preservative? Thank you so kindly in advance. "

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Staff Answer Yes, you can use this in that application. We do have natural preservatives - Leucidal Liquids & Amticide coconut.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: January 21, 2022

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Posted By: Marylu   |   December 13, 2021

"Can I substitute Phenonip for sorbic acid +2 for your toilet spray recipe? Thank you!"

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Staff Answer No, this can not be substituted, as Phenonip is insoluble in water.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: December 15, 2021

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Posted By: dianna   |   November 04, 2021

"Hello! Would there need to be any allergen or warnings on the label if using this preservative?"

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Staff Answer There is no common allergen in this product, you would just need to list the ingredients fully. Phenoxyethanol, Caprylyl Glycol, Sorbic Acid

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: November 05, 2021

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Posted By: Vanessa   |   October 24, 2021

"Ive been using this preservative for a few years. Working wonderfully for my aloe vera lotion. But I continue to have problems with it clumping in my sugar scrubs, no matter what temp I use. Is this because the scrubs are oil based? Please tell me which of your preservatives I should use that will work better for my sugar scrubs."

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Staff Answer Preservative - Phenonip works well in oil based emulsified scrubs.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: October 26, 2021

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Posted By: Marishka   |   August 23, 2021

"Can this be used to preserve goat milk face lotion? "

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Staff Answer Yes, you can use this for a face lotion.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: August 26, 2021

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Posted By: Leyda   |   August 20, 2021

"What is the difference between this preservative and the phenoxyethanol + cg? And when would I choose one over the other?"

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Posted By: MONIQUE   |   July 27, 2021

"Hello, is it possible to not use the preservative for a more natural product? Do I really have to use it for this recipe? Thank you, have a good day!"

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Staff Answer We are not sure which recipe you are referring to. If water is in the recipe, a preservative is required.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: July 28, 2021

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Posted By: Tatiana   |   July 04, 2021

"Hi, I want to make fresh fruit body scrubs as in raspberry with coconut oil and sugar would this preservative work? And if not what preservative would work because I have been searching for this answer for a while and do not know what preservative would work. I hope that you can help me. Also how do I test a product for its PH balance?"

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Staff Answer We would suggest testing Preservative - Water Soluble PF for this purpose, but this is somethin you should test first as we have no incorporated fresh fruit into scrubs. You can test the pH using a pH test strip.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: July 07, 2021

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Posted By: Mika   |   May 09, 2021

"Which preservative would be better for a batch consisting of whipped aloe vera gel (62%), water, (3%) glycerin, oil (32%), and (3%) GelMaker EMU (Pre-neutralized polymer in an inverse emulsion, pH: 5-7 (2% aqueous gel)). These are estimates because I accidentally made this. "

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Staff Answer We are unfamiliar with some of the products used so you'll have to research this.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: May 12, 2021

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Posted By: Meghan   |   May 04, 2021

"I have Germaben ii and Germaben E ii and still learning about Preservatives and how expensive they are can use either if the Germaben in our if this Preservative if im making Lotions and Scrubs?? TIA"

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Staff Answer Yes, these can both be used in lotion making.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: May 05, 2021

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Posted By: Keisa   |   April 21, 2021

"Hello! Is this an all natural product? "

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Staff Answer No, this is not natural.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: April 22, 2021

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Posted By: Andrea   |   March 09, 2021

"I'm new to using preservatives. At what point do I add this ingredient when making a large batches of oil based sugar and/or salt scrub? I saw comments about clumping and using high temperatures. My scrub is not heated when formulating. Is that step necessary when using this preservative?"

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Staff Answer This does not need to be heated. Slowly stir into liquids at a temperature below 176°F (80ºC). This is usually added when fragrance is added.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: March 10, 2021

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Posted By: TERA   |   March 07, 2021

"Can this preservative be used in a diy body spray?"

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Staff Answer Yes, this can be used in a body spray.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: March 09, 2021

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Posted By: MJ   |   April 26, 2020

"I tried using this in a sugar scrub recipe I found here (Vanilla Fig Emulsified Sugar Scrub) and as soon as I added it and began to stir it in, hand whisked and stand mixer, it clumped it and stuck to the whisk. Temperature was at 120/125F, and was just in the oil phase getting ready to add the sugar. Any suggestions on how to incorporate this into my mixture? "

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Staff Answer We have not experienced this so we are not sure what caused this. You might try adding the preservative when the mixture is a little warmer. This preservative has a maximum temperature restriction of 176 degrees.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: April 27, 2020

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I came here looking for answers to this exact question. Thank you WSP for posting this Q&A. I also have had this preservative clump when adding to my sugar scrub. But i do think i added this at the lower temp. thinking that it would be better for the preservative. I will add at a higher temp & see what happens.

Posted By: Vanessa   |   Date: January 07, 2021

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Posted By: Denise   |   December 13, 2020

"what is a good sub for usage in the ultra hydrating face cream?"

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Staff Answer Yes, you can use this in face creams!

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: December 16, 2020

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Posted By: ash   |   December 06, 2020

"What is the maximum time I could wait to add this preservative? EX. If I make my product on Monday could I wait until Tuesday evening to add this ?"

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Staff Answer Depending on what type of product you are making, this should be fine. We do not have a "maximum" amount of time to suggest.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: December 07, 2020

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Posted By: Edward    |   December 05, 2020

"Hi, it’s my understanding that this Sorbic Acid is formally Optiphen Plus. Can it be used without an emulsifier? I have a hair spritz that consist of Aloe Vera Juice, Water and Fractionated Coconut Oil. The oil floats on top, but I don’t mind. I just shake well with each use. I just need to preserve it from going bad. Also, how long can it last with the Sorbic Acid Preservative? Thank you for answering my question!"

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Staff Answer Yes, this is oil and water soluble so it can be used without an emulsifier. Typically products are good for at least 1 year. We recommend testing products 1 year after making to ensure its stability.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: December 07, 2020

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Posted By: Gabriel   |   December 04, 2020

"Can I use this in a soap I’m adding oatmeal, cinnamon, coffee and brown sugar too? "

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Staff Answer No, this preservative should be used in products with a pH less than 6. The pH of soap is usually or above.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: December 07, 2020

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Posted By: jasmine   |   December 01, 2020

"When it say maximum usage 1.5% would I just include water and oils? I am also using several plant powder extracts, xanthan gum and citric acid. Am I supposed to include those in the percentage or no since for example adding a plant powder to water it will dissolve and still generally be the same amount of water so would I not include the amount of the plant powder and such when calculating 1.5% to ensure I dont go over the 1.5%? Thank you!"

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Staff Answer Yes, you need to include all ingredients when calculating percentage, not just water an oils.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: December 01, 2020

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Posted By: Jenny   |   October 04, 2020

"Would this work to preserve the distilled water that I hydrate my Hyaluronic Acid powder with, if I were to then incorporate that HA gel into an anhydrous, aloe-based face serum? I'm not quite sure what the pH of the serum is as it's anhydrous, but it consists of mostly of aloe vera juice, glycerin, and sunflower oil..."

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Staff Answer This would work as long as the pH stays below 6. You will be responsible for final testing in your formulations as always.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: October 05, 2020

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Posted By: Sabrina   |   September 22, 2020

"Can this preservative be used in whipped soap?"

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Staff Answer This preservative is only food for products if a pH of 6 or below and soap is generally higher. We would recommend using Preservative - Water Soluble PF

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: September 23, 2020

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Posted By: Genevieve   |   September 06, 2020

"how do I measure this? I don't understand .75% to 1.5% of total weight. If i use a pound of whipping foam base how much of this should I put in?"

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Staff Answer If you are using a premade base like the Foaming Bath Whip, you should not need additional preservative. Otherwise, .75% of 1 pound is about 3.4 grams of preservative.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: September 08, 2020

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Posted By: Mia    |   August 31, 2020

"Hello, would you say this is the best option for my body butter without water. Also will it be compatible with the sorbic acid in my recipe? Thank you."

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Staff Answer You should not need a preservative for a body butter that contains no water. If you insist on using one anyways, this would be a good option.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: August 31, 2020

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Posted By: Sandretta   |   August 19, 2020

"Can I use this in an aloe vera juice, glycerin & water mix?"

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Staff Answer This should work for this as long as the pH stays below the recommended 6. You always should test with your exact formula first, though.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: August 20, 2020

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Posted By: Mia    |   August 13, 2020

"Hello, I am looking to use this for my body butter, but I also want to start making chapstick soon, what can I use for that if not this?"

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Staff Answer We would not recommend this for chapstick. Depending on your formulation, you may not need a preservative if there is no water incorporated. Vitamin E is a natural preservative which is common in lip balms. If you feel you need a preservative, we recommend Phenonip as it is lip safe at levels up to .5%.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: August 14, 2020

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Posted By: Stacy   |   August 12, 2020

"Can I use this with your Rosemary extract water for a hair spray?"

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Staff Answer We do not carry Rosemary Extract Water but we do have Rose Water Essential Hydrosol which you might be referring to. This does have its own preservative. We do not know what the base of your hair spay is but if it contains additional water, you would need an additional preservative.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: August 12, 2020

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I meant your Rosemary Oleoresin Extract (ROE)** that’s available. So since this already has preservatives I’d add additional only if I’m mixing in more water?

Posted By: Stacy   |   Date: August 12, 2020

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Staff Answer The Rosemary Oleoresin Extract does not contain a preservative because it is an oil. But yes, if you were mixing in any additional water you would need a preservative.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: August 12, 2020

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Posted By: Alison   |   July 22, 2020

"Do you recommend using this in a makeup cleansing balm?"

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Staff Answer Yes, this can be used in a makeup cleaning balm.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: July 23, 2020

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Posted By: Lori   |   July 20, 2020

"Can this be mixed with Poly 20 in a water based room spray?"

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Staff Answer Yes, this can be used in a room spray.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: July 21, 2020

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Posted By: Dee   |   July 20, 2020

"Hello, I'm trying to figure out how much of this to use in a sugar scrub. I know it states to use between 0.75% - 1.5%, but what would that measure in terms of teaspoons/tablespoons? I'm making a whipped sugar scrub that's going to be about 8 oz's. "

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Staff Answer For accuracy, we highly recommend weighing all ingredients. But, if you are not able to do this, you can figure .75% is approximately 1.5 ml or 1/3 tsp. and 1.5% is approximately 3/4 tsp.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: July 21, 2020

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Posted By: Aislinn   |   June 29, 2020

"May I just ask for a sanity check as this is the first time I am using SA+2PF? " Slowly stir into liquids at a temperature below 176°F (80ºC)" does this mean I slowly add & stir the preservative to my water just before pouring it to my oils for emulsification?"

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Staff Answer This is normally added after emulsification, when adding fragrance. Since it is used below 176°F, this is the best time since your water and oils have cooled down.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: June 29, 2020

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Posted By: Jazmyne M.   |   June 25, 2020

"Will this product work well if I am making scented room sprays?"

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Staff Answer This preservative would work with your product. Any water-soluble preservative that is broad spectrum would be a good preservative to use.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: June 26, 2020

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Posted By: Amina   |   June 04, 2020

"How do I calculate how much needs to be used for all of my different products?"

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Staff Answer The directions are listed on our website for this product: DIRECTIONS: Slowly stir into liquids at a temperature below 176°F (80ºC). Common use levels for the oil are lotions and creams 0.75-1.5%. This product preserves water and oil based products with a pH below 6.0.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: June 04, 2020

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Posted By: Shu Yun    |   May 27, 2020

"Can i use this preservative for your conditioning shampoo bars(SCI) recipe? "

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Staff Answer Yes, this preservative can be used in this shampoo bar.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: May 27, 2020

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Posted By: Selines    |   December 15, 2019

"Hi, I use this preservative in my oil sugar scrubs. However, do i calculate the batch size by the oils or after adding the sugar and then determine amount of preservative to add to the batch? I have lets say 8 oz oils and then add about 16oz of sugar, total batch 24oz? or is it just my oil that I count as my batch size to determine amount of preservative? Thank you!"

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Staff Answer When calculating your preservative, you use the entire weight of your batch. You are not preserving the oils but any water that may contaminate your product.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: December 16, 2019

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Posted By: Sonja   |   December 05, 2019

"Why does this preservative separate when added to my lotion? What can I do to prevent this from happening? Did I just waste 15 oz of Hemp Seed Oil?"

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Staff Answer We are not sure why this might be separating in your lotion. Be sure to add the recommended amount. Your lotion may just need to be mixed further until the preservative is well incorporated.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: December 09, 2019

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I added a little glycerin and that took care of the issue. Perhaps the recipe should be revised because it doesn't include glycerin in it.

Posted By: Sonja   |   Date: December 09, 2019

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Staff Answer We are glad to hear adding glycerin helped with the separation. You did not state what recipe you were following.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: December 09, 2019

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This is the recipe I was following. https://www.wholesalesuppliesplus.com/handmade101/how-to-make-recipes/hemp-lotion.aspx

Posted By: Sonja   |   Date: December 09, 2019

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Staff Answer We have never had issues with any separation with this recipe. After adding this preservative, it can thin out the lotion. That might be why it was separating. Also, make sure the waxes have completely melted. You may need to continue whipping until it thickens back up. Or, place in the fridge until it thickens back up again. Even though we have not had this problem, we will post your suggestions in case others have this problem also. Thank you.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: December 09, 2019

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Posted By: Julia   |   November 06, 2019

"Would this work in the SFIC liquid soap base?"

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Staff Answer You can use this preservative in this product. We do recommend testing your product to make sure this preservative properly preserves your soap.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: November 07, 2019

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Posted By: Sheila   |   October 24, 2019

"I’ve been storing my sorbic acid +2 in the fridge. Is that ok?"

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Staff Answer It is not necessary to keep this in the fridge. There is a note on the Safety Data Sheet (SDS) under Conditions for Safe Storage that this should be protected from frost. Just be careful it does not get too cold.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: October 24, 2019

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Posted By: katherine   |   October 11, 2019

"Can I use sorbic acid 2 pf in the soothing face toner recipe? And what suggested amount. Thanks "

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Staff Answer You can use the Sorbic + 2PF in this recipe. The usage levels for this preservative are 0.75-1.5%. You would need to increase the Sorbic Acid + 2 PF to 0.135 oz. to 0.27 oz. for this recipe.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: October 14, 2019

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Posted By: Tamar   |   September 22, 2019

"I have Optiphen not Optiphen plus, can I use this and if so in what amount?"

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Staff Answer You did not state what product you were making. These two preservatives have slightly different pH requirements but do have the same recommended use levels of 0.75%-1.5%. You can find this information under "Directions & Ingredients" for each product.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: September 23, 2019

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Posted By: Lyndsey    |   July 17, 2019

"is this paraben free too? "

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Staff Answer Yes it is. The PF at the end of the name actually means paraben free.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: July 18, 2019

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Posted By: Elizabeth   |   June 07, 2019

"How do I list (what wording) this on my ingredient label for room sprays?"

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Staff Answer You would list the ingredients as listed on the product: Phenoxyethanol, Caprylyl Glycol, Sorbic Acid.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: June 07, 2019

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Posted By: Jeff   |   May 28, 2019

"I am making a tattoo lotion to be applied during and after a new tattoo. Can I use this preservative in my recipe? My specific concern is of course the possibility of the entry to the blood stream during the tattoo. Thanks."

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Staff Answer We cannot state whether this would or would not enter the blood stream. You might consider making a balm with oils, butters and wax that would not require a preservative - only Vitamin E for an antioxidant.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: May 28, 2019

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Posted By: Elaine   |   March 30, 2019

"I added .75% of the Optiphen Plus to 2 oz. ea. of your Rose and Vanilla hydrosols mixed with 4 oz. of Witch Hazel but it would not completely dissolve into the mixture. Little bubbles throughout and larger ones floating on top no matter how much I mixed it up. There’s nothing to indicate this, but does it need to be mixed with a solubilizer in water based products? "

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Staff Answer This preservative should not need a solubilizer but for your particular recipe, you may need to mix in Poly 20 to keep the ingredients from separating.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: April 01, 2019

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Posted By: Kelly   |   March 26, 2019

"Hello, I just found a big bottle of (Optiphen) that was hiding in the back of a shelf. Lol It is well over a year old. I "hate" to think I would have to throw it out...can it still be used? Thanks so much!! : )"

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Staff Answer The shelf life for this preservative is 24 months, one year from purchase and another year once added to a product. As long as it is under this, you can still use but we would recommend a test batch to be sure it is still preserving properly.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: March 27, 2019

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Posted By: Brandi   |   March 25, 2019

"Is this all natural? "

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Staff Answer This preservative is not all natural nor do we offer any all natural preservatives.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: March 26, 2019

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Posted By: BB   |   March 07, 2019

"I would appreciate some guidance, according to the safty info this should not be used on lips; hower, it appears to be the best preservative for toner and facial spritz as they are aerosol. It also appears to be a great perservative for scrubs so I am interested in it for a facial scrub, but once again I am unsure due to the lip limitation. Can you please advise if this is safe for the uses I have mentioned? Thank You!"

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Staff Answer This preservative should be fine in the products you have listed. This is not safe for lip products, which are meant to stay on the lips. For the facial spritz, you might add a caution to keep away from eyes and mouth. If any product does get on the lips, most are washed off, such as a facial scrub. Toners are also applied to the facial area, not on the lips.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: March 08, 2019

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Posted By: Sandra   |   February 11, 2019

"I am working with a Soap that is 9 ph plus, How can I lower the ph to work with this preservative?"

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Staff Answer Most people use citric acid to lower a pH. You do need to be careful not to lower too much as this can break down your liquid soap. We recommend researching this further before adding the citric acid.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: February 12, 2019

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Posted By: Brian   |   January 25, 2019

"Can I mix this with Water ,and apple Cider vinegar ?"

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Staff Answer This preservative is for products with a pH of 6.0 or below. You will need to test your product for compatibility.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: January 25, 2019

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Posted By: Beth   |   January 17, 2019

"what is the best preservative for carbomer gels?"

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Staff Answer We would recommend using the Preservative-Water Soluble PF.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: January 18, 2019

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Posted By: Nicole   |   November 16, 2018

"My customer needs to know if the caprylyl glycol in this is derived from coconuts? "

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Staff Answer We are unable to assure your customer how each ingredient in this is derived.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: November 16, 2018

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Posted By: teresa   |   November 14, 2018

"Can I use this for a homemade hydrosol that tested 6 in ph?.. it says below 6 but is is exactly 6. I am looking to extend the shelf life of my hydrosol."

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Staff Answer This should work in your product but you might want to test the preservative to be sure your product does not grow anything.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: November 16, 2018

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Posted By: Kellie   |   October 28, 2018

"Are Sorbic Acid and Phenonip interchangeable?"

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Staff Answer Phenonip is insoluble in water and Sorbic Acid + 2 PF can be used in water products.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: October 30, 2018

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Posted By: Nicole   |   September 10, 2018

"Im trying to find a preservative that goes well with all of my products so I dont have to buy a bunch of different types of preservatives. Can this be used in shower lotion bars?"

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Staff Answer Without knowing the ingredients in your product we cannot say what type of preservative would be best.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: September 10, 2018

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Posted By: Dianna   |   September 07, 2018

"I am looking to make a cucumber extract by pureeing a cucumber and straining out the liquid to use...would this preserve the cucumber liquid? Thank You"

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Staff Answer This should preserve the cucumber liquid but to be sure you may want to have it lab tested.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: September 10, 2018

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Posted By: camille   |   August 15, 2018

"what other preservative I can use instead of this"

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Staff Answer Without knowing what product you are making, we cannot advise on an alternate preservative.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: August 16, 2018

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Posted By: Becca   |   June 27, 2018

"Hi I'm making lotion & ned to know how much to use. what is the usage rate? will this also work with fresh goats milk to make a lotion? If not what would work best? I make sugar scrubs with the foaming bath whip base, do i need an additional preservative for that? Thank you"

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Staff Answer Common use levels for the oil are lotions and creams 0.75-1.5%. This product preserves water and oil based products with a pH below 6.0.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: June 28, 2018

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Staff Answer This could work with goat milk lotion but will require testing for performance.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: June 28, 2018

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Staff Answer The foaming bath whip has preservative and as long as used as directed will not need additional preservative.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: June 28, 2018

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Posted By: Nicole   |   April 19, 2018

"How long is the extended shelf life? I have read that it can be 2 yrs.if closed tightly and not exposed to sunlight. Is that true? "

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Staff Answer We cannot give you an exact length of time. We normally state products are best used within one year but this can be good for up to 24 months if properly stored as you have stated.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: April 20, 2018

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Posted By: L.   |   April 05, 2018

"I currently have Germaben. I am looking for a paraben and formaldehyde free preservative for liquid soap, body butter and lotion. Would this suffice for all three products or do you recommend a specific preservative for each product? Thanks."

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Staff Answer Optiphen ND or Optiphen Plus would work in the liquid soap and lotions. Body butters do not need a regular preservative as they do not contain water. We recommend adding an anti-oxidant such as Vitamin E or ROE (Rosemary Oleoresin) to help keep oils/butters from turning rancid.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: April 09, 2018

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Posted By: nicole   |   January 07, 2018

"will this be helpful with keeping lip balms fresh? scrubs too that are oil based -- but clearly come in contact with water? and finally, how exactly do i calculate usage ? thank you so much"

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Staff Answer This states on the "Additional Information" that this is not recommended for lips. Lip products contain oils/butters/waxes and do require a preservative. This can be used in oil scrubs. The recommended usage rate is 0.75%-1.5%. Here is a line to our Percentage Conversion Chart: http://www.wholesalesuppliesplus.com/PDFS/ConversionChart.pdf. For example, if making a 16 oz. batch, you could add between 3 ml-7 ml.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: January 09, 2018

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Posted By: Flee   |   December 14, 2017

"Is this the exact formula as Opthipen Plus?"

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Staff Answer Ashland Chemical is the manufacturer and owner of the trademark Optiphen Plus. We have received legal notice that small suppliers may no longer use the brand name of the product. Therefore on 11/20/2017 we have changed the product name as they have requested to Preservative - Sorbic Acid +2 PF.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: December 15, 2017

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Posted By: Jeanne   |   November 26, 2017

"Is this preservative vegan?"

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Staff Answer We cannot say whether this preservative is vegan. We do not know for sure the origin of each ingredient.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: November 27, 2017

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Posted By: Susan   |   November 07, 2017

"I started using Optiphen Plus for a body/face wash that contains aloe vera gel and it is thinning the product out. What alternate preservatives do you suggest?"

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Staff Answer This can thin products and there is a note to this affect on the product. You can try Germaben II, Germall Plus or Optiphen ND.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: November 08, 2017

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Posted By: Khoa   |   September 08, 2017

"I'm adding Optiphen Plus to my lotion (unscented) at 1%, at ~35C. However I can still smell the characteristic odor of Optiphen Plus. How can I make it disappear? Is there any known scent that will mask/neutralize that smell?"

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Staff Answer You must have a very sensitive nose. We find this to have very little odor to it. Other than adding a fragrance, which you said you did not want to add, you might want to add an oil that has a fragrance, such as hemp or camelina, that might cover the Optiphen Plus.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: September 11, 2017

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Posted By: Briana   |   August 23, 2017

"Will this preservative work well in a flaxseed hair gel?"

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Staff Answer This preservative should be fine to use in this type of product but you always need to test your product to be sure they are properly preserved.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: August 24, 2017

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Posted By: Kimberly   |   July 25, 2017

"Hi regarding the Optiphen Plus, does there need to be a certain percentage of oils in the formulation for this preservative to work properly? I just did a lotion with 82% water and 16% total of oils, butters, ewax and stearic acid. EO is2% if that counts for the oils too. Thanks again for all your help, you guys are great ! "

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Staff Answer You would take the entire batch amount and use that to determine your percentage for this preservative.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: July 27, 2017

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Posted By: Leilani   |   July 24, 2017

"Would this preservative be appropriate to be used in toners, such as with witch hazel?"

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Staff Answer This can be used in a facial product but should be kept away from the lips as this is not suitable for lip products.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: July 27, 2017

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Posted By: Miriah   |   July 08, 2017

"Sorry if someone asked this and i missed it. Would this be the preservative i would use with the dog shampoo base? I use the WSP shampoo base and some contain a mixture of tea tree, EO/FO & vitamin E. Thank you!"

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Staff Answer Since the dog shampoo base is water based, it has a preservative already added to it.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: July 10, 2017

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Even better! Thank you very much!

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Staff Answer You are very welcome!

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: July 11, 2017

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Posted By: Valerie    |   June 26, 2017

"Has anyone had success substituding this for Germaben IIE? Thanks"

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Staff Answer This depends on the product you are putting it into. Germaben II is for products with over 25% oils and butter, such as scrubs. Optiphen Plus is recommended for lotions and creams.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: June 28, 2017

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I make a lotion/cream with oil in it and use Germaben IIE. Anyone have experience use optiphen Plus as a subtitude? trying to get a useful straight answer Before I Orger. Thanks!

Posted By: Valerie    |   Date: June 28, 2017

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Staff Answer We would normally recommend using Germaben II for lotions as they are mainly water. The Optiphen Plus will also work well in your lotions. You can see all of the recipes we have used with this product: http://www.wholesalesuppliesplus.com/products/optiphen-plus.aspx.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: June 29, 2017

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Posted By: Valerie    |   June 24, 2017

"Should I use Optiphen Plus or Optiphen ND to replace Germaben IIE for my creams? I am going to order, thanks!"

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Staff Answer It is your decision as to what preservative to use. We recommend reading the information for both to help make your decision.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: June 26, 2017

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Posted By: Valerie    |   June 24, 2017

"do you recommend that I use the same amount of Optiphen Plus for my cream that I used with the Germall plus?"

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Staff Answer We recommend checking the directions to see the proper percentage to use when making lotions and creams.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: June 26, 2017

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Posted By: kari   |   March 29, 2017

"Will the optiphen plus work for my goat milk lotion? It is made with fresh milk not powdered! I am using a recipe I barrowed from your recipe page but I want to substitute part of the water with milk! Thank you! "

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Staff Answer We have not used real milk in any recipe so you would need to test your lotion to see if the preservative will keep away any bacterial growth.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: April 03, 2017

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Posted By: Lauri   |   March 24, 2017

"I am looking for a multi purpose broad spectrum preservative that is paraban free. Would this product be good for lotions, body scrubs, etc no matter the water or oil percentage? Some products will be water based while others are oil based "

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Staff Answer This is a broad spectrum preservative and is good for both oil and water products. Be sure to watch the temperature restriction but this should work well in your recipes.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: March 28, 2017

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Posted By: Barbara   |   April 19, 2016

"Do you challenge test your preservatives? If I make a one of your recipes using your ingredients, and following the recipe exactly, is it safe to assume that the preservative will work correctly? I have kept lotions made with your preservatives for more than a year, and have never seen any indication of spoilage. "

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Staff Answer All of our recipes are formulated to follow manufacturer guidelines. Many of our formulations also come directly from our manufacturers. Also, we recommend a shelf life of only one year on finished products.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: April 19, 2016

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Posted By: Yoshi   |   March 01, 2016

"Can this preservative be used in Homemade Flax Seed/Xanthan Gum Hair Gel? If not, what can I use in homemade gel to preserve it? Also, can lemon juice be used to bring down the PH in gel/shampoo?"

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Staff Answer We have not tested Optiphen Plus in hair gel but we have tested it in shampoos and conditioners and it is safe. To lower the pH levels of a product it is a good practice to add in Citric Acid in small amounts until you reach your desired pH level.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: March 03, 2016

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Posted By: Susan   |   February 02, 2016

"can this be used for oil based sugar or salt scrubs?"

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Staff Answer Hi Susan, yes this preservative should be compatible with a scrub. However, as stated in the description "Optiphen Plus can thin out some formulas-proper testing should be done." Therefore we recommend testing in small batches to ensure compatibility.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: February 03, 2016

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Posted By: Brittney   |   January 31, 2016

"help! I ran out of this! and I am making a batch of lotion! is there a substitute I could use!!!"

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Staff Answer Germaben II E may be a good substitute depending on your recipe. Here are all our preservatives, Preservatives.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: February 01, 2016

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Posted By: Natalie   |   January 23, 2016

"How much Optiphen should be added to 5lb of salt or sugar mixture with oils? Thanks for doing this!"

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Staff Answer Hi Natalie, the recommended usage rate is 0.75-1.5% which equates to 0.6-1.2 ounces for 5 pounds.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: January 26, 2016

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Posted By: yamira   |   December 14, 2015

"Is this the same as regular optiphen? Because as far as my research goes, optiphen plus is not compatible with anhydrous products. Do you sell regular optiphen?"

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Staff Answer Yamira,

Optiphen Plus is used as a preservative in water based products whereas Optiphen is used in oil based products. We carry Phenonip which would be your best substitute for Optiphen. You may also want to use Germaben II E if the percentage of oil in your product is above 25%. Both product names are linked for easy viewing!

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: December 15, 2015

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Posted By: Karen   |   July 05, 2015

"I am looking for a non formaldehyde release, Paraben free preservative for my hot process shampoo. Would you recommend Optiphen Plus and if not, what would you recommend? "

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Staff Answer Yes, Optiphen Plus is a paraben free preservative that doe not contain any formaldehyde donors.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: August 06, 2015

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lye based soaps have a higher pH than what optiphen allows for

Posted By: Royce   |   Date: December 06, 2015

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Staff Answer The ideal pH levels for shampoo are between 4-4.5 and if those levels reach higher than 7 it will be hard to keep moisture in your hair even with conditioner.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: December 09, 2015

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Posted By: Anna   |   December 02, 2015

"Can you use this in liquid suspension soap base?"

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Staff Answer Anna,
Soaps do not typically need a preservative. Depending on your recipe, if a preservative is needed for a water based product, yes Optiphen Plus and Liquid Suspension Soap Base can be used together. Please note that we have not tested any products that have combined Optiphen Plus and Liquid Suspension Soap Base.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: December 02, 2015

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Posted By: Ryan   |   November 26, 2015

"I've read that Optiphen Plus is incompatible (it decomposes in) PVC plastic containers. Do you know if Optiphen Plus can be used in PET plastic containers? Thanks."

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Staff Answer Hi Ryan - We have used Optiphen Plus in cosmetics packaged in PET plastic without a problem. Here are some of the recipes, Click Here.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: November 30, 2015

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Posted By: Curtis   |   October 19, 2015

"Does Optiphen Plus accelerate the degradation of essential oils?"

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Staff Answer No, it does not degrade essential oils.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: October 24, 2015

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Posted By: Nelsa   |   September 17, 2015

"i want to make a sugar scrub using pureed pumpkin. will i be able to use this preservative and if so how long is the shelf life?"

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Staff Answer Preservatives are used to preserve the water portion of a recipe. It will not preserve dried or fresh fruit or vegetable additives.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: September 18, 2015

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Posted By: Bonnie   |   September 14, 2015

"If I use nuts,cocoa or any food product in my scrubs, do I need a preservative? "

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Staff Answer A preservative is only required if the ingredients used in your formula possess the potential for bacterial growth. This is typically only a problem if the ingredient contains water and is not preserved.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: September 15, 2015

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Posted By: SCOTT   |   July 01, 2015

"Could this be used for a body scrub that consists of just sugar/salt and coconut oil? I like to add a preservative because it does come in contact with water for a shower or bath. I have been using Phenonip, but would love something that is paraben-free. I am not sure though if this will mix/work with an oil-only recipe."

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Staff Answer Theoretically this preservative should be compatible with your formula. However, as stated in the description "Optiphen Plus can thin out some formulas-proper testing should be done." Therefore we recommend testing in small batches to ensure compatibility.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: July 10, 2015

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Posted By: Thanh   |   July 01, 2015

"Will this be okay to use in a toothpaste formula? It contains water, coconut oil, and betonite clay. "

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Staff Answer Optiphen Plus is not a food grade preservative therefore we cannot recommend it for use in a toothpaste.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: July 10, 2015

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Posted By: Michelle   |   May 19, 2015

"I am looking for an all around good preservative for lotions, whipped soap, etc. Is there a good one that can be used for many different products? "

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Staff Answer Optiphen Plus is a well rounded preservative that is compatible with most raw materials.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: May 19, 2015

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Posted By: Traci   |   April 29, 2015

"How long does it preserve a water based spray? I am looking at making a room spray with water, essential oils, and a binding agent you sell which I can't think of the name right now. Unless there is some type of alcohol that would be a better base than water, that would make a longer expiration date on the product that you sell. Also, is it safe on the skin? "

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Staff Answer When stored properly, best used within 1 year from date of manufacture. This preservative is approved for use in general cosmetics including lotions and creams.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: April 30, 2015

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Posted By: Vickey   |   February 20, 2015

"I would like a preservative that is paraben free. Which one of the many that you carry, would you recommend? I make lotions and scrubs. Thank you!"

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Staff Answer As listed on the website Germall Plus Liquid and Optiphen Plus are both Paraben Free preservatives.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: February 20, 2015

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Posted By: Beunka   |   February 09, 2015

"How much should I use in 3.4 oz of rosewater? Thanks! "

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Staff Answer The recommended usage rate for Optiphen Plus is 0.75-1.5%. Doing the math that would be 3.4(oz) x 0.0075(%)=0.0255(oz) or 722mg or 3.4(oz) x 0.015(%)=0.051(oz)or 1.45g.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: February 09, 2015

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Posted By: Sherry   |   December 09, 2014

"Is Optiphen Plus a good choice for preserving Goat Milk in Lotions?"

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Staff Answer Yes, Optiphen plus would be a great preservative to use to preserve the Goat milk.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: December 23, 2014

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Posted By: Bhakti   |   November 13, 2014

"Would Optiphen Plus be useful and work well with the hair condition base offered here?"

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yes you can use this in the conditioner base just check the usage percent. I have not had any problems so far . Tracy

Posted By: Tracy   |   Date: November 16, 2014

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Posted By: Kris   |   October 29, 2014

"How much of this should I use in a room spray?"

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Normally, it is used at 1% of the total product if it contains water in the formulation.

Posted By: emmelou   |   Date: October 30, 2014

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Posted By: mabel   |   September 21, 2014

"I see you have establish usage as per 4 ounce base I dont understand still how to use this , base meaning what? The amount of ? Can you help"

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Your base would be the total amount of whatever product you are putting it in, whether it be conditioner, lotions, etc. I hope this helps!

Posted By: emmelou   |   Date: September 23, 2014

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Posted By: Nelsa   |   August 09, 2014

"If I have 4 ounces of product how much Optiphen do I use? Example a body scrub."

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Staff Answer The recommended usage rate for Optiphen Plus is 0.75-1.5% or 0.8-1.75ml per 4oz base.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: August 12, 2014

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Posted By: Jessica   |   March 15, 2014

"I know this is for water based products, but will this also help prevent butters and oils from going rancid?"

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Optiphen Plus isn't limited to water based products. This preservative guards against fungal and bacterial growths in products with a lower pH.

Posted By: Denise   |   Date: March 18, 2014

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This is an excellent product used to protect your products against bacteria, yeast, & mold and can reduce the effects that these factors have on your butters/oils. However good storing practices--keeping your the bottles closed tightly and stored in a cool dark place will greatly improve shelf life. In addition you can add an antioxidant like vitamin e or ROE or use a product called Ox-Blox designed to shield your oils from the effects of the air.

Posted By: Shana   |   Date: June 04, 2014

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No. Optiphen Plus is a preservative, not an antioxidant, which you would need to protect your oils against rancidity. I recommend using vitamin E oil (not to be confused with Vitamin E acetate) at up to 0.5%.

Posted By: Bradley   |   Date: July 22, 2014

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Posted By: krissy   |   June 04, 2014

"I was wondering if this would work well for bath bombs?is so how much would you recommend?"

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Staff Answer No. This preservative is only effective in products with a ph of 6.0 or lower. and bath fizzies tend to have a ph of 7 and higher. I would recommend the Germall Plus as it is effective in products with a ph up to 8.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: June 11, 2014

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Posted By: VICKY   |   May 16, 2014

"I was wanting to try optiphen in my lotions and salves. I noticed there were a lot of comments about working in pH levels <6. I have no idea what the pH of my lotions or salves are, nor do I know how to check it.?? Can you help me with this. I really want a paraben free preservative, but I want it to be EFFECTIVE most of all! Thank you"

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Staff Answer We carry pH test strips to help you determine the pH of your product. Here is a link to the pH Test Strips Paper Roll: http://www.wholesalesuppliesplus.com/ProductDetail.aspx?CatalogID=1&GroupID=683&CategoryID=2227&ProductID=8363&ProductName=pH+Test+Strips+-+Paper+Roll

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: May 29, 2014

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Posted By: karla   |   May 20, 2014

"Is the percentage based on how much water content is in the lotion or based on the volume of the lotion itself?"

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It is based on the weight of the entire batch of lotion.

Posted By: Deborah   |   Date: May 27, 2014

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Posted By: Cynthia M.   |   March 22, 2014

"I make liquid soap using blocks of your soap base and rosewater, oatmeal water, etc. for use on the face and body. How do you determine the amount of Optiphen to use in the formula? Or does this require a preservative? All that I have read seems to indicate that it is needed since water is being introduced. Thank you for your time. "

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Optiphen plus is a paraben free preservative. Usage of the preservative is determined by the weight of the batch. The usage rate is .50 to about 1.75%.

Posted By: Erin   |   Date: March 26, 2014

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Posted By: TaKeisha   |   March 23, 2014

"Would this product be good to use in lotion and sugar/salt scrubs?"

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This is a great WSP product that's paraben free, and works beautifully in lotions and scrubs.

Posted By: Denise   |   Date: March 24, 2014

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Posted By: Heather    |   March 08, 2014

"Could you tell me if this is safe to put in products that will be going directly on the face...ie creams, washes...? Should I reduce the % added to the mixture? Thank you for your help!"

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Optiphen is safe for face. Never reduce the usage rate as this would not protect the product from the growth of bacteria.

Posted By: Denise   |   Date: March 10, 2014

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Posted By: Lisa   |   February 26, 2014

"Can I use this in the multi-spray formula instead of germaben?"

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Staff Answer Germaben II and Optiphen Plus are both used for water based formulations. One benefit that people like about Optiphen Plus is that it is Paraben Free and Formaldehyde Free. We suggest reading the 'Overview' tab, which may make a difference as to which one you should use in your formulation (PH level, temperature etc...).

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: February 26, 2014

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Posted By: Cheryl   |   October 30, 2013

"I am looking for a preservative for my water-based potassium hydroxide foaming hand soap that tends to become rancid after a couple of months. Is optiphen the best alternative, and how much should I use per batch -- the same .5 to 1.5 percent? Thank you!"

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Staff Answer Optiphen is a broad spectrum antimicrobial preservative, so it could be a good option. We recommend 0.5 – 1.5%. as a guideline for proper preservation. All new formulations should be challenge tested to ensure preservative efficacy though.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: November 05, 2013

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If product failure is due to microbial growth, preservative will help. If rancidity is due to oil degredation, you need an antioxidant (and maybe reformulate with longer-shelf life oils).

Posted By: Tracy   |   Date: February 26, 2014

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Posted By: Michelle   |   February 22, 2014

"Is this sold by weight or by volume?"

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This is sold by weight.

Posted By: Denise   |   Date: February 24, 2014

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Posted By: Kristen   |   January 29, 2014

"Can this be used in products such as mascara or other products used around the eyes?"

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I believe it is suitable for anhydrous formulations and emulsions, such as creams, lotions, salves, body butters, and body scrubs. It appears it is an irritant for around the eyes.

Posted By: Heather   |   Date: January 29, 2014

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Posted By: Kathy   |   January 13, 2014

" I'm confused about which Optiphen to purchase. I would like to use it in my water-based lotion. Optiphen Plus should be fine since lotion PH is usually between 4 & 5. But I don't want a product with restrictions for it's use. Is regular Otiphen OK to use in lower PH products? Which preservative would be best for water-based lotions?"

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Staff Answer Optiphen Plus is effective at pH levels below 6.0. This is a broad spectrum antimicrobial preservative, and it is most commonly used in lotions and creams so I think this would be a very good option for you.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: January 14, 2014

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Posted By: bonishia    |   December 27, 2013

"Im looking for a preservative for my combine oils and was wondering is this a good preservative or do i really need a preservative since i do add Vitamin E "

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Vitamin E is not a preservative. It is an antioxidant that will help lengthen the life of your oils to prevent them from going rancid. Any product that contains water should have an added preservative (such as Optiphen) to prohibit the growth of mold and bacteria.

Posted By: Lindsay   |   Date: December 28, 2013

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You really should use a preservative if you are using water in your application. Vitamin E is not effective enough. Some naturalists use ROE which is rosemary oleoresin extract to delay the rancidity of oils but any application where you are using water with oils, best to use preservative. Optiphen Plus is paraben free and wonderful. I use it in all my lotions.

Posted By: Lillian    |   Date: December 30, 2013

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Posted By: Tracy   |   October 18, 2013

"I was wondering how much do i use in lotion bars, scrubs things with oils not water? thank you Tracy"

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Staff Answer The recommended usage level for Optiphen Plus is from 0.5 - 1.5%

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: October 22, 2013

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Posted By: Jane E   |   October 17, 2013

"Is there a shelf life for Optiphen Plus itself? I don't mean the product the Optiphen Plus is added to but the actual Optiphen Plus itself. Does the Optiphen Plus lose it's potency over time just sitting on the shelf? Does it go bad? Thanks."

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If Unopened, Optiphen Plus has been known to have a shelf-life of 2 years, but WSP will not guarantee it past the recommended 1 year.

Posted By: Denise   |   Date: October 18, 2013

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Hello. I believe that Optiphen Plus has a shelf life of 24 months when stored properly. Make sure that the lid is secured tightly and that it is stored it in a cool, dry location that is out of sunlight.

Posted By: Christen   |   Date: October 20, 2013

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Posted By: connie lucialla   |   September 22, 2013

"How long of a shelf life do you have using optiphen plus in lotion products"

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Staff Answer When stored properly, the finished product should last about a year, but often times it can last much longer.

Posted By: WSP Staff   |   Date: September 23, 2013

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Posted By: Angie   |   August 22, 2013

"Specifically how is Optiphen Plus different from Optiphen? Does Optiphen Plus replace basic Optiphen or is there any instance in which regular Optiphen would be preferable to Optiphen Plus?"

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Hello, Optiphen plus is designed to work with products that have a PH level of 6 or lower where as regular Optiphen has no PH level restrictions on it. I would not say the Optiphen Plus can be used interchangeably with Optiphen due to the varying PH levels. Thank You For Your Question

Posted By: erin   |   Date: September 15, 2013

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Posted By: FELICIA   |   September 12, 2013

"What is the ratio of product to optiphen."

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Hello, You want to use 0.75% to 1.5% of your total batch weight. This preservative must be added during the heated water phase of your product. Thank You For Your Question

Posted By: erin   |   Date: September 15, 2013

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